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Gladys – June 3, 1970

Letter transcription:

118 Juniper Court
W. Lafayette, Ind. 47906
June 3, 1970

Dear Bonnie, David and Debby,

I am enclosing a check for your wedding anniversary. Sorry to be so late with it, but I was struggling with an infection (kidney) last week and attending Conference, so between sessions I would come home and do nothing I didn’t absolutely have to do. The enclosed are the “things” which our Section on Social Witness tried to get before the Conference. One didn’t get out of the Legislative group and the other died a quick death, and all for $5.00. When Conference was about to close a man asked for permission to speak and said this session did not deal with any of the controversial issues of today. I said to myself, “well we tried.” The Bishop replied that he thought many important matters had been dealt with. He said in his sermon at the ordination service (which I did not attend) he thought he had dealt with the issues which are vital today. Of course, we didn’t go on record as having dealt with issues. However, there is something in the pre-conference minutes which heals with military spending and the creation of a task force to study same and to get some meetings going in which military spending will be discussed.

We had a letter from a woman in Kentland who is interested in buying the office building. We went to Kentland and showed her the place. She has a nice home out in one of the new additions but said she had too much room and too much yard. The back of the office lot meets the property of her sister—Mrs. Lacey and she thought it would be a good idea to be close to her sister. The woman I am referring to is Mrs. Rasher. Her husband died about three years ago and one son who lived here in Lafayette was killed in an automobile accident about two years ago and her other son lives in Tenn., and she feels like she wants to be close to her sister, since they are both widows. If she decides to buy the office, it would make an ideal location for her. She is to let us know Sunday when we go to Margaret Zell’s wedding.

I stopped to see Mrs. Myers. She had been to the beauty parlour to have her hair done. She told me that Doris and Harold are now living in Monticello. Harold is working for Geo. Kingsley. They are trying to sell their home and buy something in Monticello. At present they are living in their summer cottage. She said she felt like little orphan Annie. I was surprised when she said she would be willing to go to Monticello to live. However, Harold told her to stay where she is, that Doris would come over every two weeks and take her to the beauty parlour and do her grocery shopping. I didn’t suggest that she move to Lafayette. She seemed to think she would have to go where they go. Harold said he wasn’t sure he was going to like it in Monticello and that they might come back to Kentland. So far they haven’t had much luck in selling their home.

We plan to go to Brazil Saturday to attend the wedding of one of Wilma Yegerlehner Bell’s daughters. Tomorrow we are going to Champaign to have the Mercedes worked on. We won’t spend the night, since Dad has to work on Friday. Also we have dinner guests coming Friday night.

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The Chinese boy—William Yue and his father are coming. Also Dr. and Mrs. Miller. William is a brilliant student and is graduating from Purdue. He plans to continue his graduate studies at Cal Tech next fall. Since they can get the best of Chinese cooking when they return to Hong Kong, we are going to have steak and baked potatoes, etc. Also strawberries. Last year when Mr. Yue was here attending the Methodist Men’s meeting, we took him out to Morris Bryant and he had strawberries for dessert and said how much he liked them. One delicacy he doesn’t afford in H.K. They aren’t grown there.

We have a 20 days tour for our stay in Japan. It will take us from Tokyo to Nikko and back, then from Tokyo to the extreme east end of Japan—Nagasaki. We will have probably a day and a half at Expo, at the end of our tour. We return to Osaka on the 9^th and then on to Tokyo the 11^th for our flight back on the 12^th.

I sent Dru and package. Was in Loebs yesterday and saw a cute little outfit for a small baby and thought she might like it. I didn’t remember her address and couldn’t remember Sully’s first name, so addressed it to Mrs. Dru Sullivan c/o Miss Elaine’s Beauty Salon, Rockport. I hope she gets it.

One of the nurses who used to work in Dad’s office while her husband was going to Purdue sent us an announcement of the arrival of a daughter. She was born April 19^th and weighed 4 lbs. 8½ ozs. I didn’t think much about that weight at the time, but one of the nurses at the health center received a letter from the mother recently and she said the baby has a cleft palate and a deformed foot, and had been born prematurely. From her letter she indicated that she was afraid the baby was not doing so well. Dad said since the father is now in Service, they would have access to the best medical help.

Since we have to make an early start in the morning, I had better get this finished. Dad is on duty today, so we can’t leave until 7:00 AM tomorrow.

Love Mother

P.S. There are two mother raccoons coming for food every evening. They are getting so tame I think they would come in if they had the chance. I am anxious to see their little ones. One brought her little ones up to the door last year.

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Gladys – May 19, 1970

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Letter transcription:

118 Juniper Court
W. Lafayette, Ind. 47906
May 19, 1970

Dear David, Bonnie and Debby,

Hope this finds the mumps patient fully recovered. Sorry I did not see to it that you had mumps when you were at home. I suppose you would have avoided them then if you could have.

The wrap around came and fits just right. Glad you could get enough material to make Debby a dress. I bought some knit material and made a dress and jacket. I went back to get enough for a skirt and material was sold sold and the clerk couldn’t find any in any other Ayres store, so will not be able to make skirt. Of all the materials Neualts handle, I could find nothing like the piece that Ayres had.

Have to go to Rochester this week to attend a WSCS Conference Ex meeting. Next week is annual conference and now I don’t know how much time I will have to spend there, but since I am a delegate from Trinity and on a Conference Board, I think I will spend most of next week at Purdue.

Margaret Zell is being married in June and I had an invitation to a shower last week, but couldn’t go. Will plan to attend the next one which will be sometime the first week in June. Her betrothed is a member of Navy Band. I think she met him at Ball State U.

Your stock from the Echlin split—(32 shares) came and since we have your other stocks stored here in our box, I opened the letter and will take the certificate to the bank this afternoon. You have the chance to buy another share by paying ½ the present market value. Information enclosed. Ours didn’t come out that way. We always buy the extra stock when we have a chance. I didn’t think there was any use of sending the stock thru the mail again and then have you send it back.

I went to Houston to the 1970 Assembly. It was quite a large meeting. 10,000 were expected, but I think the attendance was not quite up to that. Our Conference chartered a Purdue plane. We flew out Thurs. afternoon and returned Monday morning.

Love Mother (over)

[page 2] When do you plan to come to Indiana? We will be home after Aug. 12. Our trip to Japan is July 22 to Aug. 12.

One of Wilma Yegerlehner Bell’s daughters will be married June 6. We will probably plan to attend.

Gladys, June 1970

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One Thousand is a Really Big Number (Gladys)

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In case you are wondering, the title of today’s blog has nothing to do with Gladys, or anything she said. Today, this blog hits a big landmark – 1,000 blog posts. I am still about two months shy of my second anniversary. To date, I have transcribed and published over 650 letters which were written by Roscoe, Gladys, their sons (John & Mark), and the occasional other, in the years 1942 and 1943. I would like to thank all of my faithful readers who have continued to read Roscoe and Gladys’ story day after day. There are still about 8 months worth of daily letters to transcribe and post so I hope everyone sticks around for the rest of the adventure.

: July 9, 1943 envelope

: July 9, 1943, p. 1

: July 9, 1943, p. 2-3

: July 9, 1943, p. 4

Letter transcription:
Kentland Ind
7-9-43

Dear Daddy –

Went to Laf. today to see Mother & talk to Dr. Cole. He said she had strep, staf [staph], & B-Coli infection in her bowels, a little puss in her urine, but the last to be expected in a person her age. He has her on sulfaquoxadine and wants her to stay in the hospital another week yet. She isn’t minding it so much. She doesn’t feel well enough to care much where she is. He has been giving her sleeping

[page 2] tablets and I suppose this is the first time in her life she ever took a sedative and she slept all night and most of the next day after taking one tablet.

Yours of June 13 came today so that about catches up the back mail. I have been on the go so all day I can hardly get my thoughts collected – Maybe David will let me sleep in the a.m. and maybe he will want an early bottle. He has been waiting till 7 a.m. for his bottle. Zell’s came home yesterday and they are always anxious to keep the baby so Mark and David

[page 3] remained here and at Zell’s – After Mrs. Zell fed him at 3 p.m. he took a nap then they took his play pen over there and kept him there. When John & I left he was having a buggy ride. They have three girls & Mr. Zell wants a boy so much. He was practically in tears when the last two were girls.

Rosemary Funk is home from the hospital and Arlene wanted me to go with her to see R. so after I got back from Laf. & got David to bed I went with Arlene. I thought she had had an appendectomy but Arlene said also more had been done – her uterice [uterus] had dropped and that had to be raised – I don’t know whether I am saying all

[page 4] the above correctly but I think you know what I mean. Dr. C. told her she would have to be very careful for a while – that her insurance for the next 30 yrs. would be in her care of herself the next 3 wks. Her mother still has the baby – she first has a very young girl working for her and isn’t able to take care of the baby herself yet. Her mother spoils him so – Rosemary said she carries him around even while preparing meals.

Carl Donahue’s have a new girl. Carl wanted a boy too and so did Cecelia – that makes 3 girls for them. Ruthie Parttens came home from the hospital and I am going to try to get out to see her. I’ll let you know all about her when I get back. I must get this finished – it’s getting late –

Love Mother

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Neighborhood News (Gladys)

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: June 26, 1943 envelope front

: June 26, 1943 envelope back

: June 26, 1943, p. 1

: June 26, 1943, p. 2

: June 26, 1943, p. 3

: June 26, 1943, p. 4

: June 26, 1943, p. 5

: June 26, 1943, p. 6

Letter transcription:

Kentland Ind
June 26 – 1943

Dear Daddy –

Another hot sultry day. It looks like rain and once in a while there is a breeze but days like this makes Mother awfully weak. I stopped in to see Dr. M. and asked him about her and he said Bepron was a fine tonic and for her to keep on taking it. While I was there he asked me if I wanted to see the X-Ray of Ruthie Parttens – He showed it to me and was he mad – Mary wanted a bone specialist to see her a few days after Dr. M. had taken care

[page 2] of her and that insulted him but he told them to get someone else – they had Berkhiser from Chicago and he said everything had been done that could be – Dr. M. said he got so sick and tired of people spending their money on specialists. At any rate he says Ruthie is getting along first rate and the rumor that she wouldn’t walk again was rumor there was nothing to it. She is so lively they can hardly keep her in bed. I want to go over and see her but the car is in the garage today. Couldn’t start it yesterday so we pushed it and got it started and stopped at Sondergrath.

[page 3] Will report later on the trouble.

Had a letter from Ruth M. and she wants me to send J. & M. over for a week or so and then the rest of us come for the 4^th but Mother doesn’t feel well enough to go any place now and as hot as it is I really would rather stay home with David. Zell’s are going away Wed. for a week and they want J. & M. to mow the lawn while they are gone. However if they want to go to Ruth’s I won’t keep them home. Ruth & Floyd are going to C.C. for the 4^th & wanted us to got too so they could take some more movies of David, but I don’t want to go on such a long trip when it’s so hot, and I can’t plan to go

[page 4] any place while Mother doesn’t feel so well. She said for us to go ahead & go but I wouldn’t want to leave her alone.

Glenn called us yesterday. He talked and his wife talked – he talked to all of us. Had the baby by the phone and we could hear him. I wrote and told him Mother didn’t feel so well and I think he was pretty worried about her. He wanted your address; you may hear from them. His wife’s name is Pauline. The picture enclosed is I think good of David but John says David is better looking than the picture. However I think you can get a good idea what he is like because he laughs so much. After his bath he

[page 5] has curls but after a while they fall down. There are two teeth in front but one show plainer than the other. He is in his bed now singing a song. It is time for him to take a nap so he is in the nursery alone.

Parr’s were in town yesterday. Harlan is having a vacation but has to be back in Tuscola July 4 for work. He is very tan and so is Carolyn, more so than Dorothy & Nancy. They thought David was a pretty fine boy. Harlan still wants a boy. Dorothy said she thinks she has all she can do to take care of two girls.

[page 6] Dorothy Krull said yesterday that Bill Funk wants them to go on a vacation trip together. Dorothy said they would have to close the restaurant and she doesn’t know whether they will or not. I told her if they go to be sure Bill knows where he is taking them.

Had to stop and take baby clothes off the line – a storm was brewing and what a storm – this one took a good portion of the tree by Statons driveway – They have gone to Indpls. And will have to get the tree off their driveway before they can get in when they come back.

[page 7] Mrs. James & Jimmy went along and Bobby was sent home from Zells for misdemeanor so before the storm the neighborhood was rather quiet. It vibrates at times when things get going good.

After the rain started Mark put on his bathing trunks but he didn’t stay out long. It is cooler now since the rain – something we all appreciate. If this summer continues like this we have a lot of hot weather to look forward to. I had to repot a cactus plant – It was on the window sill and the strong wind blew it over and knocked the cactus out of the pot.

[page 8] The storm has let up and the Zell girls & J. & M. are out playing hide & seek. There is still a lot of thunder so maybe it will rain more.

Your mention of the shells makes me think of the box you sent from Noumea that didn’t come. The one that had the necklace you thought prettier than the one I rec’d. I doubt if it ever comes now – it has been so long.

I must get this ready to mail, so John can do to the P.O.

Love Mother

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Photographs (Gladys)

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: June 12, 1943 envelope

: June 12, 1943, p. 1

: June 12, 1943, p. 2

: June 12, 1943, p. 3

: June 12, 1943, p. 4

Letter transcription:

Kentland Ind
June 12 – 1943

Dear Daddy –

No mail today but had four letters this week. The travel check came but as yet the $100⁰⁰ hasn’t. It is cloudy, windy, sunny, sultry today. It looks like rain then the sun shines again. I got the roll of pictures developed and am enclosing a few. I was in only one and John moved the camera when he took it but I am enclosing it anyway. I will take another roll when D. is 9 mo. old. These were taken at 8 & 8 ½ months. The one taken on the terrace shows the grass as needing a hair cut – John has gone out now to take care of the job. He took the lawn mower to get it oiled & sharpened before he finished his moving last time. This continued rain keeps him busy with the lawn and since

[page 2] Mark’s tonsillectomy John has done most of the garden work – plowed the potatoes with a garden plow this morning. We had spinach, lettuce, onions & radishes today. Wish you could enjoy some of the green onions.

Mrs. Roberts was here this morning. She had taken Earl’s girl to Sheldon. Earl is still in the States, but I think he is out on Maneuvers now. His wife is with him or was but their children are with the family here. Mrs. R. brought a weaning cup for David she had used for her children. She had some recent mail from Joe & his add. is Navy 609. I haven’t rec’d all your letters so don’t know what your latest word from Joe is.

David had his third shot yesterday – and it made him restless all night – He has been slightly cross today – but I think he is trying to get the third tooth – and as hot

[page 3] and sultry as it is today is enough to irritate him. He is asleep in his buggy. Mother is sitting out in the yard with him. This heat is almost too much for Mother. She hasn’t been feeling very well since she came back, and it’s about all she can do to keep going. I try to keep her from doing anything because I know she doesn’t feel well enough to exert herself much. She is so thin and doesn’t have much of an appetite.

I had a letter from your Mother. She said they didn’t have all the corn planted yet. Some have here and others haven’t. I think they will get “our” cornfield done today. John and I were so hoping they would put something else there this year.

Speaking of the pictures – I took the pictures with the spirea in the background when it was in full bloom so you could get a fair idea how much it

[page 4] has grown and how pretty it was in bloom. I told you before “I,” meaning me, separated some of the fuller bushes and transplanted to the thin spots – so now it is pretty well evened up. I filled up the N.E. corner with large bushes so it looks like it should.

Dean Davis is having a picnic for the factory workers today. Statons have all gone for the afternoon. It is quiet in the neighborhood now with Jimmy gone, Bobby & Zell girls taking naps. Bobby was watching me hoe a flower bed and remarked “my mother isn’t a planter.” I told him his daddy took care of their planting. Bobby is always saying something to give us a laugh. We think he has a very high I.Q. for his age – and his vocabulary is amazing at times.

Not much news around town that I know of just now.

Love Mother

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Tonsillectomy (Gladys)

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: June 3, 1943 envelope

: June 3, 1943, p. 1

: June 3, 1943, p. 2

: June 3, 1943, p. 3

: June 3, 1943, p. 4

Letter transcription:

St. Elizabeth Hospital
June 3, 1943

Dear Daddy –

Well here we are – Mark is sleeping – went thru his tonsillectomy in fine shape. Has thrown up some but has been very good – There is a little girl in the next bed who went up to surgery following Mark and she has been having herself a, the nurses and her mother a time. She has quieted down now but cried and tossed about an hour after she came down. After we got the blankets off Mark, he turned over on his stomach and went to sleep. The nurse said that was the best thing for him to do. – We are in Pediatrics and as usual there is a lot of activity, but I would rather be here than in a large room. Dr. Cole said he thought we could take Mark home tomorrow. We came down last night and I spent the night at Klines. Helen doesn’t know where Dan is now, but says he is on board ship somewhere. Gertrude came over to the hospital with me and stayed until they brought Mark back to the room. A friend of hers was waiting for her girl (the above mentioned)

[page 2] I will go home this evening and come back tomorrow & get Mark. Dr. Cole came in to see him before he left. Said there wasn’t much adnoid but that the tonsils were bad. I was pretty sure of that from the way he had been feeling. I will try and find a funny book for him to look at when [change from ink to pencil] he feels like looking at something – Pardon the change in writing, but the pen went dry and rather than bother to refill it will finish with pencil. Mark brought this and paper along to draw with. I tried to tell him he wouldn’t feel like doing anything but he couldn’t believe me. Dr. Romberger came in to see him. I told him Mark thought he was coming on a picnic. He said, “Mrs. Y. I am ashamed of you, telling him that.” I said I hadn’t told him anything of the kind. He said to give “Roscoe” his regards. Said his son is in India.

It is hot today and I have to wear a white hospital gown over my dress and I am getting warmer all the time. The window by Mark’s bed has to be closed so I can’t get much help from the breeze. There seems to be a good wind today.

[page 3] After all the rain, summer seems to have come all at once and hot. We have taken off David’s clothes and he now wears a sun suit.

I went out to see Lucile Burgee’s baby girl – she had shirt, flannel gown, flannel diaper and long stockings on her. She looks like the Burgees. They are living in the house Reynolds made out of their store. Lucile said Gerhart would have to go for a physical in Aug.

John, Mark and the two older Zell girls have been playing croquet a lot between rains. They said the season would officially open Sat., but I told them Mark wouldn’t be able to play then, so don’t know when they intend to open “formally.”

I am going to try and keep Mark quiet for a while. He has several model airplanes to work on so I think that will hold him for a while. Since he got a bike I told him he couldn’t get a new horn, but he didn’t care. Said he would rather have a bike. I have been trying to get a better piano

[page 4] for John but so far haven’t succeeded. Ours can’t be tuned up right, but I won’t get another one till I can do better than we have now.

Mark has been awake and had a piece of ice but it made him spit so didn’t want more than two pieces – is asleep again. The little girl in the next bed is crying again – her mother left her for a while, to go home and get lunch.

I don’t know what the mail is today if any, but haven’t rec’d the $100⁰⁰ ck. yet. Maybe it’s there now. You will be ready to spend more for clothes by the time we get that all in the bank. I think the idea of the new color in uniforms is good – I believe that will be better looking than khaki, at least you won’t be mistaken for Army.

Mrs. Zell is coming down to shop today and is going to leave one of their girls to ride home with me so I won’t have to drive alone. I want to stay with Mark as long as I can.

Hope you have the seed by now.

Love Mother

You Look Thin (Gladys)

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: May 31, 1943 envelope

: May 31, 1932, p. 1

: May 31, 1943, p. 2

Letter transcription:

Kentland Ind
May 31 – 1943

Dear Daddy –

Yours of May 18 & 19 came this a.m. As yet the 100⁰⁰ check hasn’t come, but sometimes a letter or two is slow in coming and I’ll look for it this week. Of course that one would be slowed up. You mentioned in your letter of May 17 the 16^th should come a little faster – well it hasn’t come yet so however you mailed it didn’t help the speed any.

It rained yesterday but has been clear enough today to dry clothes. I am entertaining the S.S. class this evening and we are going to do Red Cross sewing, so I feel like it will be time well spent.

[page 2] The house is cleaned and ready but the meeting isn’t until 8 P.M. so I still have time to do a few things I want to get done today.

The boys & Zell girls have David out in his buggy. He likes to be out of doors. I left off one bottle today. When I fed him at 2 P.M. he drank his milk from a cup after eating his fruit & vegetables. His second tooth is coming thru today and he is inclined to be a little touchy, but not bad.

I am looking at the last picture you sent and I mentioned I thought you looked thin – and in one of your recent letters you said you had lost 10 lbs. Well, I suppose the weather isn’t the kind to give you an appetite. When you get back you can pick up all you have lost and more too. As for me I weigh about 102 – but feel good so don’t worry about not tipping the scales at 110 –

I’ll have to see what is going on outside, and send Mark to the P.O.
Love – Mother

Yegerlehner home, E. Dunlop Street, Kentland, circa 1943

Croquet (Gladys)

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: May 30, 1943, p. 1

: May 30, 1943, p. 2

: May 30, 1943, p. 3

: May 30, 1943, p. 4

Letter transcription:

Kentland Ind
May 30 – 1943

Dear Daddy –

This is a lazy Sunday. It was warm & humid this morning and about 1 o’clock the rain started. The first since last Tues. The farmers have had a chance to do a little plowing if not all. Last night the Funks were plowing corn ground. I drove Bill’s car and Arlene took him a lunch to the field. He was plowing close to his father’s house. I wanted to drive our car but they insisted I drive theirs. It seemed harder to handle – and I still prefer a Ford. Arlene’s sister Loray has been here visiting, so she went with us. Also John went with us, tho it was late for him (10:30 when we left). I was a little sleepy myself this morning when I had to get David’s

[page 2] 6 a.m. bottle. He was right with the Sunday morning bells. After I had fed him I wanted to sleep and Mother was up by then so they she took him down to the ‘nursery.’ I didn’t get up until time for the family to go to church. I was tired from yesterday’s activities. I helped some in the garden, but it was cloudy and the garden needed cultivating and Mark needs supervision when he works in the garden. John helped too so we got along fine. Mr. Zell helped then Mark helped him in his garden. We planted some corn & beans & set out 12 tomatoe plants. I didn’t think it was necessary for us to raise so many tomatoes, but do want to can a few quarts. We will soon have lettuce & spinach. Are having radishes & onions now. Now that is [it] has rained today there won’t be any garden work for a few days, but the lawn will need to be mowed tomorrow or next day.

[page 3] Since Mark couldn’t play out this P.M. he decided to bake a cake. He is now cleaning up the mess & sampling his product. I am afraid there won’t be much left if he keeps on tasting.

David was out so much yesterday, but has to stay in this afternoon. I had him out this morning a while. He is so tan – his hands and feet are as dark as his face – Mary Parttens stopped a while yesterday and said he was the best looking baby she had ever seen. I said she had had two but she said they were fair and she thinks a dark skinned baby the best looking. She said he looks like you. He is a little hard to handle this afternoon – he wants to go out in his buggy.

John and Mark had to work most all day yesterday and were planning to play croquet this afternoon, now the rain has changed their plans. They can play with partners – The two

[page 4] older Zell girls like to play too so they have games all the time.

I saw Ellsworth taking Eddie Ray for a ridge one evening. Irene took Jimmy to see him while he was still in bed. He doesn’t remember anything about his fall or why he has been in the hospital. I think he seems normal otherwise.

Oveta Culp Hobby, 1942 (Image from the Library of Congress)

There is a radio program on now taking a group of W.A.A.C.’s into Service – They just took the pledge. Mrs. Cal Hobby just gave a short talk.

I think Nick’s idea of joining the Navy must be out – because he was to take a final exam – and I don’t think he took it. Also they are having some remodeling down on their house – Having a bathroom put in downstairs. They got the buffet & china closet we had in the basement to put their dishes in – due to tearing out that pantry to make room for the bath.

The rain is still coming down rather fast – like it may last for a while. It is 4 P.M. – and I can’t figure where the time went (or how).

Love – Mother